Sunday, April 17, 2005

Property Patch

Someone called “bullshit” on my explanation of the outlaw motorcycle club property patch as being “the equivalent of a gold wedding ring [and] merely easier to see,” especially when one is intoxicated. After sulking because my self esteem was damaged, I decided that I had been issued a challenge of sorts.

I faulted Lee Tortorelli for looking at the motorcycle culture for 3 days and then making broad assumptions about it. I lived in that same culture for 30 years and was a member of an outlaw motorcycle club for 5 of them. I figured this gave me the right to make broad statements about things I “knew to be a fact.”

Unfortunately, being a member of something does not make you an objective observer. Therefore, I shall step back and examine the topic of property patches and report my findings. If the facts do not back up my statement that a property patch is equivalent to a wedding ring, then I shall set aside my opinion and report what I have found. This is what the J-School is trying to teach us.

Since I have not yet had a chance to interview anyone, I did some research. I thumbed through Sonny Barger’s autobiography “Hell’s Angel” for information. The HA are only one of several nationally renowned outlaw motorcycle clubs, but through self-promotion and the publicity the HA earned from Hunter Thompson’s book “Hell’s Angels, The Strange and Terrible Saga of the Outlaw Motorcycle Gangs,” the HA are considered the “gold standard” against which outlaw biker behavior is measured.

It was my assertion that the property patch protected women from unwanted flirtation. On page 45 of Sonny Barger’s book, he states that one Hells Angels club rule was “No messing with another member’s wife.” Further he says “Big time rule. Wife, girlfriend, old lady, whoever she is, if she’s yours, she’s yours. If you fuck with someone else’s old lady, you’re out of the club.”

Barger says on page 97, “We go out of our way to make sure the women who either go out on runs with us, visit our clubhouse during parties, or are just associated with us feel one hundred percent safe. Touch a Hell’s Angel’s old lady and you risk the wrath of not only the member but the entire club.” On the previous page, there is a photo of “Mother” Miles and his property patch wearing old lady, Ann.

I believe Barger was being disingenuous in his statement about the safety of woman at HA parties. I gave a woman a ride home from the Hell’s Angels national run in Missoula in 2000. I asked her her impression of the party at the camp ground. She replied, “It was fun for a while, but then it got weird.” I did not press her for further information and she volunteered none.

Once at Sturgis, I wolf whistled at a beautiful woman on Main Street. I realized that I had made a social faux pax when her HA old man turned and glared at me. I wanted to shrink into the sidewalk. So, I have no doubt that one risks physical harm for messing with an Angel’s old lady.

This idea of the sanctity of the old lady trickled down to the rest of the motorcycle clubs. About 20 years ago, I was at a party in the Tri Cities, Wash. An intoxicated outsider was flirting with the old lady of a member of the Brothers Motorcycle Club. She was wearing a property patch. She complained to her old man who happened to be the club president. The president called over the club member who brought the offending outsider to the party. The president ordered, “You take care of your friend or I will.” The club member punched out his buddy and escorted him away. The etiquette problem was solved at the cost of a broken finger, a fat lip and a black eye.

This illustrates the power that old ladies who wear property patches have within the motorcycle club. Old ladies don’t have a vote in the club, but they certainly make their views known to the male members. A woman wearing a property patch represents the club to the outside world, in much the same way a male member does.


Blogger Jim Beyer said...

I interview a former member of a Texas chapter of the Bandidos today. He told me that his chapter did not believe in property patches. Many outlaw club members wear their club colors (patch) when ever they ride their motorcycles. In the old days, the police believed that all motorcycle club members were criminals. In the policeman’s eyes, to wear colors was to admit to being a criminal. Therefore police had probable cause to stop a club member at any time. My source said that his chapter did not want women passengers to be identified as affiliated with the club. This was not out of concern for the women. If a women was on back of the bike, the police could not see who was a club member and who was not.

My source also said that other Bandido chapters allowed property patches. He said to his knowledge, the Outlaws Motorcycle Club property patches said “Property of Outlaws.” The implication is that a woman was property of the whole club. This discounts my assertion that a “property patch was merely a gold wedding ring.” In the Bandidos, the property patch will say “property of (members name here)” indicating that she is owned by a single member. This counts toward my thesis about wedding bands.

I will write more as I gather information. The concept of property patch may have changed over the last 40 years. I intend to interview a retired gentleman who was a member of both the Outlaws (1960s) and the Bandidos (1970s). I hope to clarify some points and will print his story here later.

12:09 PM  
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As a woman, I think I made the right decision in dumping my new biker boyfriend. I had the distinct impression, from working in a bar frequented by bikers, that infidelity, STD's and sleeze is part of the culture. Your web sites confirm this. Doesn't matter if he gave me "status" by putting some silly little patch on my back, etc.. A 48 year old man who goes to rallies to watch dirty, slutty, indecent girls compete in wet t-shirt contests is not my idea of a reliable, suitable mate any more than a 19 year old frat boy. From an evolutionary standpoint, this makes good sense for a LADY who wants a stable relationship with a stable man who intends to be faithful to her and love her, rather than drool over other women and bring diseases home to the family.

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Program on the emergence of civilization.

"14 species of large animals capable of domesitcation in the history of mankind.
13 from Europe, Asia and northern Africa.
None from the sub-Saharan African continent. "
And disfavor.

They point out Africans’ failed attempts to domesticate the elephant and zebra, the latter being an animal they illustrate that had utmost importance for it's applicability in transformation from a hunting/gathering to agrarian-based civilization.

The roots of racism are not of this earth.

Austrailia, aboriginals:::No domesticable animals.

The North American continent had none. Now 99% of that population is gone.

AIDS in Africa.

Organizational Heirarchy/Levels of positioning.
Heirarchical order, from top to bottom:

1. MUCK - perhaps have experienced multiple universal contractions (have seen multiple big bangs), creator of the artificial intelligence humans ignorantly refer to as "god"
2. Perhaps some mid-level alien management
3. Evil/disfavored aliens - runs day-to-day operations here and perhaps elsewhere

Terrestrial management/positioning:

4. Chinese/egyptians - this may be separated into the eastern and western worlds
5. Romans - The seamless transition between Cleopatra and Julius Ceasar may be a clue alluding to a partnership.
6. Mafia - the real-world 20th century interface that constantly turns over generationally so as to reinforce the widely-held notion of mortality
7. Jews, corporation, women, politician - Evidence exisits to suggest mafia management over all these groups.

Movies foreshadowing catastrophy
1985 James Bond View to a Kill 1989 San Francisco Loma Prieta earthquake.

Our society gives clues to the system in place. We all have heard the saying "He has more money than god." There is also an episode of the Simpsons where god meets Homer and says "I'm too old and rich for this."

This is the system on earth because this is the system everywhere.

20 cent/hour Chinese labor, 50 cents for material.
An $80 sweater costs less than a dollar; tribute kicked upstairs vindicates the creative accounting.

I don't want to suggest the upper eschelons are evil and good is the fringe. But these individuals become wealthy exploiting those they hurt.

They have made it abundantly clear that doing business with evil (disfavored) won't help people. They say only good would have the ear, since evil is struggling for survival, and therefore only the favored could help.

The clues are there which companies are favored and which are disfavored, but they conceal it very hard because it is so crucial.

I offer an example of historical proportions:::

People point to Walmart and cry "anti-union".
Unions enable disfavored people to live satisfactorly without addressing their disfavor. This way their family's problems are never resolved. Without the union they would have to accept the heirarchy, their own inferiority.
Unions serve to empower.
Walmart is anti-union because they are good. They try to help people address and resolve their problems by creating an environment where there are fewer hurdles.

Media ridicule and lawsuits are creations to reinforce people's belief that Walmart is evil in a subsegment of the indistry dominated by the middle and lower classes.
Low-cost disfavored Chinese labor is utilized by corporate america to maximize margins. They all do it. Only WalMart gets fingered because they are the ones who help, and those who seek to create confusion in the marketplace want to eliminate the vast middle class who have a real chance and instead stick with lower classes who may not work otherwise. So they dirty him up while allowing the others to appear clean.

The middle class is being deceived. They are being misled into the unfavored, and subsequently will have no assistance from their purchases with corporate america.

The coining of the term "Uncle Sam" was a clue alluding to just this::Sam Walton's WalMart is one of few saviors of the peasant class.

They desire a system based on duality:::good and evil. They seek to set up a system of two participants and assign them polar opposites:::
Coke and Pepsi
BestBuy and CircutCity
Energizer and Duracell
Republican and Democrat
The list goes on and on:::
AMD and Intel
Apple and Microsoft (?)
Lowes and HomeDepot
Sam'sClub and Costco
WellsFargo and BofA. For the longest time in CA these two banks reigned supreme.
Pier1 and CostPlus
Borders and Barnes&Noble
PetCo and PetSmart

Amercia is a country of castoffs, rejects. Italy sent its criminals, malcontents.
Between the thrones, the klans and kindred, they decided who they didn't want and acted, creating discontent and/or starvation.
The u.s. is full of disfavored rejects. It is the reason for the myriad of problems not found in European countries. As far as the Rockafellers and other industrialists of the 19th century go, I suspect these aren't their real names. I suspect they were chosen to go and head this new empire.

Royalty is the correct way to organize a society. Dictatorships and monarchies are a reflection of the antient's hierarchical organization.
Positions go to those who have favor with the rulers, as opposed to being elected.
Elections bring a false sense of how the world is. Democracy misleads people.
Which is why the disfavored rejects were sent to the shores of America::To keep them on the wrong path.

Jewsus Christ is a religious figure of evil. He teaches of a begnign, forgiving god when quite the opposite is true.
The seperatist churches formed so they could capture the rest of the white people, keeping them worshipping the wrong god.
And now they do it to disfavored people of color, Latinos and Asians, after centuries of preying upon them.

Since Buddism doesn't recongnize a god, the calls are never heard, and Asian representation is instead fully selected by the thrones.
Budda was the Asian's Jewsus Christ::: bad for the people. It was a clue they both emerged at the same time. Timing may be a clue alluding to ranking.

Simpson's foreshadowing::Helloween IV special, Flanders is Satan. "Last one you ever suspect."
"You'll see lots of nuns where you're going:::hell." St. Wigham, Helloween VI:::missionary work, destroying cultures.
Over and over, the Simpsons was a source of education and enlightenment, a target of ridicule by the system which wishes to conceal its secrets.

The advent of the modern Christmas was a brilliant move. It creates a vested interest among those who would prefer the Church of Evil be destroyed::::
As goes the Catholic Church so goes the majority of annual retail sales.
The similarity between the names "Santa" and "Satan" is no coincidence.

Jews maim the body formed in the image of "god", and inflicted circumcision upon all other white people.
I think about how Jews (were used to) created homosexuality among Slavics, retribution for the Holocaust.
Then I think of the Catholic Church and its troubles.
What connection is here between Jews and the Catholic church???
If it is their sinister motives that’s behind the evil that is Jesus Christ are they being used at all?
Perhaps it is them who are pulling strings.
Their centuries of slavery in Egypt proves their disfavor.
For their suffering the Jew leaders were granted the right to prey on the up-and-coming Europeans to try to fix their problems with the ruling elite by imposing a false god upon white people, a recurring aspect of the elite's methodology.
Jews were ostracised for a reason.

Retribution for the atomic bombs dropped on Japan, the Korean War got the disfavored United States into this socially depraved environment in the latter 20th century because we attacked an antient, revered peoples. Our continued presence keeps us in trouble.
When the disfavored americans attack the wrong people again, as they suggested they will, in Korea or elsewhere, they will pay dearly.

All peoples are ranked in terms of favor and disfavor. And when the disfavored abuse those with favor there is hell to pay.
All the groups mentioned throughout are necessary to justify the will of the managing species. They conceive a strategy, devise a plan yet need a way to implement it, and without these groups the managing species would be exposed in the course of execution. So, based upon their rank they are assigned goals to accomplish and are rewarded with favors.

I question if we would even experience global warming if they didn't sabotage and terraform in an attempt to destroy disfavored human life on planet earth::::they instruct their petroleum friends to repress alternative technologies, the can terraform the weather as they did in New Orleans with Hurricane Katrina (and lots of other examples).
This is all happening shortly after the Exodus of 2000 for a reason::: they are INFLICTING it upon us. They are hastening closure.
Just as favored European peoples got out before the ugliness of WWII, the semi-favored within the US got out before 9/11.
Armeggedon isn’t about the end of the world. Armeggedon is about the death of the disfavored left behind. And they weren’t lying::this time it is going to happen with fire.

Mumia Abu-Jamal

Dhoruba Bin Wahad

Assata Shakur

Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

Malcolm X

Che Guevara

Black Panthers

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wear my property patch with pride. This does not mean the Outlaws can do as they please with me. It means I am someones ol' lady and not to mess with me. So it is like a wedding ring. If someone other than my ol' man did mess with me there would be hell to pay. It also shows the Outlaws I am thier sister and would defend them no matter what as they would do for me.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

You pissed out after 5 years???? How in the hell does that give you the right to have any opinion on anything to do with our lives.... Don't even pretend to have an understanding of what my property patch means to me, to my ole man or to the club....the only response I have is my patch says I'm in for LIFE not 5 years........ OL4EVR

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

A property patch in the club my ole' man is in is the same thing as a golden band on the finger. It is a strong source of absolute pride for the women who wear them. Nobody messes with another female with a patch on her back and the men are absolutely proud of their women as the women are their men. When you wear the patch it is pure pride. Even a wedding band doesn't say hey I am with ******. Men don't care if a woman has a ring on her finger but if she has a patch on her back they respect.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am an Ole Lady in an outlaw motorcycle club and I am damn proud of that title. I wear Ole Lady patches and I also wear a "property of patch" on my vest. I am not looked down upon, I am not misued, mistreated or disrepsected within the club by members or by other Ole Ladies. When we are at an event or a party other men know that I am off limits....that I am "taken". My Ole Man would not allow someone to use our car, move into our home, sit on his bike or use me....that is what my patches stand for!
Our club is a family and we are there to support one another through good times and bad. Sleeze & STD's are not part of every outlaw motorcycle club culture. Clubs have progressed just like everything else on this planet. Yes, we have wet t-shirt contests, but how is that ANY different from a woman (such as yourself and thousands of others annually) going to watch male strippers or Chippendales? That's right, there is no difference. If you can't trust your man, that is one thing, but my Ole Man wearing a 3 piece patch on his back does not pre-dispose him to being a cheater. I think it's time you open your eyes, drop the prejudices and realize that bikers are people just like everyone else. I often find that most bikers are a step above everyone else that I meet.

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I'm an independent, educated, professional woman whose Ol' Man happens to be a member of a traditional MC. While we don't wear 'Property Patches', we do wear XXXXX's Old Lady or XXXXXX's Wife patches. Our brothers are respectful to all Ol' Ladies - whether girfriend, fiance or wife. When my man is travelling, I know help is just a phone call away and I feel like a part of a family. Our P's wife is my BFF and I also have friendships with other clubs' Ol' Ladies. None are former strippers, none are or ever have been prostitutes, none of them would ever consent to being "passed around." When I read some of the drivel being posted on some sites, I just want to SCREAM!!!!!

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

I would see no issue with property patches if men wore them too, like wedding bands. It's silly to assume all bikers or all motorcycle clubs mean that they treat women like crap or that everyone is using each others women- however, it is not so silly when the way they show off their women is by marking them with a patch that says "property of _____" rather than "_____'s Old Lady". And again, why don't the men wear one? Right... because they're still living in the 20s when women's suffrage was laughed at.

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Anonymous mad mat said...

this is nonsense people. wake the hell up. i love the comments from the ol' ladies on here that support their man and their club. yes i said "their". i am president of the Lost Prophets Mc in ohio. i find property patches not to be disrespectful but meaningful. women that support their ol' man would wear it with pride. a wedding ring does not tell another man that he will get his ass whooped if he touches my ol' lady, but a propety patch does. i have found that woman with property get way more respect (from everyone) than the ones without. women you would only be so lucky to have a club family. if you dont know and have never been there...then shut the hell up.

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Ladies, we can explain until we're blue in the face, butlke my ol' mans patch says, "If I have to explai, you wouldn't understand". We all know you can't fix stupid. I wear my colors, wether they're hard colors or my soft colors everywhere I go. I am proud of my ol'man and the club. I absolutely wear my colors with pride or both!It takes a special breed of woman to wear colors. I wouldn't wantto be any other kind of woman! Ride on ladies!

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

I love this topic, simply because I am currently in the middle of a dilema. I am an MC, by my own accord. I earned the colors that I proudly wear and quite frankly out ride most of the men in my club.
But, against my own conscious thoughts, I have fallen in love with a mmber of an outlaw club. Outside of the motorcycle set, we are a couple. I will go to his clubhouse, hang out with his family, & even ride with them at times. When I do this, I am required to leave my colors at home.
Of course, the topic of being a PO has come up quite frequently. While, currently he leaves me to my own decisions and thoughts, he gently is prodding me in the direction of becoming a PO.
If I was not an MC already, this would be an easy decision. I would proudly support him, his club, his brothers & sisters, and wear the PO colors with pride.
Because he is my man, I would do this without wearing their colors also, but I understand the committment wearing the colors makes with everyone, as well.
I made a lifetime committment to my brothers & sisters in my club. I wear my colors with pride, but my dilema comes from feeling like whatever decision I make, I am turning my back on someone.
I understand that if I do not wear his colors, it is a sign of disrespect, which I would never want to even appear as though I was disrespecting him. If I do take his colors, then it is like I am disrespecting my current club to be an MC and leave that to be a PO.
I am at a loss as to what to do and maybe a large part of that comes from my lack of true knowledge of being a PO. I welcome any constructive thoughts or comments that any of you with true knowledge have to provide to me.

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To the above lay with the dilema of supporting your old man or stayin true to your brothers and sisters, why not have the best of both? Put before both clubs the option of your MC being a support club to the 1%er club. Many 1%er clubs have non-outlaw clubs as support clubs. However i could also see how that would be undesirable to be a support club. Our club takes pride in being 100% Independent. You do have a tough delima but im sure you will follow your heart. Be safe!! L.L.L.P

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Just got on this site so apologize for delayed response. I am property of 1%. Would never date anyone from my club! Great guys but you know the have no say... have a friend that dates a chapter pres and is not po! Talk to him is my advice. I was born n this but I set my boundaries and so can you!!!

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